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Reason why Goku got so strong at EoZ; Just manga explanation
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If you combine EoZ with BoG and FnF then it's very easy to explain why Goku got so strong, but from a strictly manga perceptive, how did Goku increase his base powers very close to his Ssj3 level. Let's face it, if we take the evidence as face value, Goku said Uub was as expected which is Kid Buu. In your head canon, how did Goku get so strong? Serious answer, and no sarcastic answers like doing push ups :p
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The SSj multiplier from the Buu arc onwards isn't 50x, simple as that.
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Cuz you said serious, I'll say Goku did serious bench-press :p

You just answered yourself. Manga was all Toriyama's. He never make any statement/explanations stating EoZ Base Goku = SSJ3

It was one of those "fanmade" Power Chain derivatives, which actually "felt" right. For me at least

Maybe anime-wise, yes. Forget EoZ Goku. SSJ2 Goku (against Kid Boo) was super haxed, he leagues beyond every SSJ2's looking at his attacks which tore Kaioshin Realm apart. His roar alone splits Himalayan Mountains. Punches shook whole Kaioshin plane. While chi blasts ravaged the landscape.

Compared to that, EoZ Base Goku was relatively tame. Thx to the emphatic animators/storyboaders that decided to scale down his "destructive" capabilities few notches down.

And you have EoZ Base Goku ravaging the whole freakin Tenkaichi Budoukai Tournament ring to pieces. Lol

I really gotta say...Goku is one of a kind
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Well he probably trained the right way for ten years with the goal of fighting uub in his base form

Didn't piccolo make crazy grains too during the three year wait for the androids? It's not that surprising to me goku was able to get this strong
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Oob only has to be around Mr Boo's level of strength at a minimum. Goku never says he expects Oob to be equal to Kid Boo.
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It's not good buy reincarnated it's kid buu. It wouldn't make as much sense for him to only be at good buu's level would it?
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Feb 9 2016, 11:53 AM
The SSj multiplier from the Buu arc onwards isn't 50x, simple as that.
The Kili argument is easily debunked, when you actually look at the mechanics of SSJ from the Cell Games and on, and how Vegeta doesn't react until Kakarrot puts out more power after he Transforms the second time.


As for EoZ, I never thought it made sense for Kakarrot to be so powerful. Even if I consider BoG and RoF, but then again I don't consider them to be canon.
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I don't buy Goku getting much stronger in his base at all after the 10-year skip if GT & the new stuff isn't taken into account. Given Vegeta's comment about Goku at least being stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was during the Cell Games, I think it's fair to say Goku pretty much hit his absolute peak during the Boo arc and didn't grow much stronger in the proceeding 10 years.

Frankly, I don't know why people even put Base Goku in EoZ that high. Oob's a malnourished kid who's never fought in his life so I see very little reason why he'd automatically as strong as Kid Boo. Him POTENTIALLY becoming that strong after training is another matter.
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I think it's stupid for him to be so powerful, it's just as stupid as the other Boo arc increases.
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I don't buy Goku getting much stronger in his base at all after the 10-year skip if GT & the new stuff isn't taken into account. Given Vegeta's comment about Goku at least being stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was during the Cell Games, I think it's fair to say Goku pretty much hit his absolute peak during the Boo arc and didn't grow much stronger in the proceeding 10 years.

Frankly, I don't know why people even put Base Goku in EoZ that high. Oob's a malnourished kid who's never fought in his life so I see very little reason why he'd automatically as strong as Kid Boo. Him POTENTIALLY becoming that strong after training is another matter.
Gohan, a 4-year-old kid, had never fought or trained a day in his life and he almost killed Raditz. Why is it so farfetched that the reincarnation of one of the most powerful, ancient beings in history can't flare up massive energy when properly motivated?
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Feb 9 2016, 05:48 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:42 PM
I don't buy Goku getting much stronger in his base at all after the 10-year skip if GT & the new stuff isn't taken into account. Given Vegeta's comment about Goku at least being stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was during the Cell Games, I think it's fair to say Goku pretty much hit his absolute peak during the Boo arc and didn't grow much stronger in the proceeding 10 years.

Frankly, I don't know why people even put Base Goku in EoZ that high. Oob's a malnourished kid who's never fought in his life so I see very little reason why he'd automatically as strong as Kid Boo. Him POTENTIALLY becoming that strong after training is another matter.
Gohan, a 4-year-old kid, had never fought or trained a day in his life and he almost killed Raditz. Why is it so farfetched that the reincarnation of one of the most powerful, ancient beings in history can't flare up massive energy when properly motivated?
Him powering up to say SSJ Namek Goku's level to fight on par with Base Goku is fine and we can see that Goku agitating him makes him stronger. Oob powering up into the billions range or being Kid Boo's level already is where the bulls*** starts to stink something fierce for me. Even Gohan with all his rage boost & potential crap needed to work to get as strong as he did.
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Feb 9 2016, 05:50 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:48 PM
ekrolo2
Feb 9 2016, 05:42 PM
I don't buy Goku getting much stronger in his base at all after the 10-year skip if GT & the new stuff isn't taken into account. Given Vegeta's comment about Goku at least being stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was during the Cell Games, I think it's fair to say Goku pretty much hit his absolute peak during the Boo arc and didn't grow much stronger in the proceeding 10 years.

Frankly, I don't know why people even put Base Goku in EoZ that high. Oob's a malnourished kid who's never fought in his life so I see very little reason why he'd automatically as strong as Kid Boo. Him POTENTIALLY becoming that strong after training is another matter.
Gohan, a 4-year-old kid, had never fought or trained a day in his life and he almost killed Raditz. Why is it so farfetched that the reincarnation of one of the most powerful, ancient beings in history can't flare up massive energy when properly motivated?
Him powering up to say SSJ Namek Goku's level to fight on par with Base Goku is fine and we can see that Goku agitating him makes him stronger. Oob powering up into the billions range or being Kid Boo's level already is where the bulls*** starts to stink something fierce for me. Even Gohan with all his rage boost & potential crap needed to work to get as strong as he did.
Nothing in the Boo arc makes sense. Gotenks' Base surpassing his previous SSJ power, by extension leading to SSJ3 Goku being a complete laughing stock is arguably worse than Goku's and Oob's situation here. But it's what's heavily implied so it's what we generally go with.
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Feb 9 2016, 05:55 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:50 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:48 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:42 PM
I don't buy Goku getting much stronger in his base at all after the 10-year skip if GT & the new stuff isn't taken into account. Given Vegeta's comment about Goku at least being stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was during the Cell Games, I think it's fair to say Goku pretty much hit his absolute peak during the Boo arc and didn't grow much stronger in the proceeding 10 years.

Frankly, I don't know why people even put Base Goku in EoZ that high. Oob's a malnourished kid who's never fought in his life so I see very little reason why he'd automatically as strong as Kid Boo. Him POTENTIALLY becoming that strong after training is another matter.
Gohan, a 4-year-old kid, had never fought or trained a day in his life and he almost killed Raditz. Why is it so farfetched that the reincarnation of one of the most powerful, ancient beings in history can't flare up massive energy when properly motivated?
Him powering up to say SSJ Namek Goku's level to fight on par with Base Goku is fine and we can see that Goku agitating him makes him stronger. Oob powering up into the billions range or being Kid Boo's level already is where the bulls*** starts to stink something fierce for me. Even Gohan with all his rage boost & potential crap needed to work to get as strong as he did.
Nothing in the Boo arc makes sense. Gotenks' Base surpassing his previous SSJ power, by extension leading to SSJ3 Goku being a complete laughing stock is arguably worse than Goku's and Oob's situation here. But it's what's heavily implied so it's what we generally go with.
It's only worse if you can't accept Goku being the strongest which is what Gotenks was designed to be: stronger than Goku. Him standing a chance in base form against Boo can easily get explained away by Boo simply suppressing his power at the time, something supported by SSJ Gotenks' Kamikaze Ghosts managing to nearly kill him after which Super Boo kicks Gotenks' a***.

Nothing in the fight against Goku and Oob suggests he's anywhere near Kid Boo level, nor would I even put him at a level comparable to Goku's max at base strength upon re-reading the manga version. The absolute worst thing he does is shred Goku's clothes a little. Goku's arm being stunned by Oob's punch can also get explained away by Goku momentarily getting caught off guard by Oob's rage boost.

Frankly, this whole "EoZ Goku must be Kid Boo level" seems like a byproduct of everyone (wrongly) thinking EoZ is some anime lead in for the sake of GT and feel the need to ramp up his base form accordingly.
Edited by ekrolo2, Feb 9 2016, 06:01 PM.
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That's where I'm against you. The Namek just has to compare Pre SSJ Gotenks to Post Base Gotenks and it works, especially he was worried about them Fusing in Base.
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Feb 9 2016, 06:00 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:55 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:50 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:48 PM
ekrolo2
Feb 9 2016, 05:42 PM
I don't buy Goku getting much stronger in his base at all after the 10-year skip if GT & the new stuff isn't taken into account. Given Vegeta's comment about Goku at least being stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was during the Cell Games, I think it's fair to say Goku pretty much hit his absolute peak during the Boo arc and didn't grow much stronger in the proceeding 10 years.

Frankly, I don't know why people even put Base Goku in EoZ that high. Oob's a malnourished kid who's never fought in his life so I see very little reason why he'd automatically as strong as Kid Boo. Him POTENTIALLY becoming that strong after training is another matter.
Gohan, a 4-year-old kid, had never fought or trained a day in his life and he almost killed Raditz. Why is it so farfetched that the reincarnation of one of the most powerful, ancient beings in history can't flare up massive energy when properly motivated?
Him powering up to say SSJ Namek Goku's level to fight on par with Base Goku is fine and we can see that Goku agitating him makes him stronger. Oob powering up into the billions range or being Kid Boo's level already is where the bulls*** starts to stink something fierce for me. Even Gohan with all his rage boost & potential crap needed to work to get as strong as he did.
Nothing in the Boo arc makes sense. Gotenks' Base surpassing his previous SSJ power, by extension leading to SSJ3 Goku being a complete laughing stock is arguably worse than Goku's and Oob's situation here. But it's what's heavily implied so it's what we generally go with.
It's only worse if you can't accept Goku being the strongest which is what Gotenks was designed to be: stronger than Goku. Him standing a chance in base form against Boo can easily get explained away by Boo simply suppressing his power at the time, something supported by SSJ Gotenks' Kamikaze Ghosts managing to nearly kill him after which Super Boo kicks Gotenks' a***.

It's not about Gotenks in Base not standing a chance, it's Piccolo's reaction that suggests he's stronger in Base than he previously was as a SSJ.
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